UGLY PHIL: The main part of your long-gevity is that you constantly re-invent yourself, tell me about this re-invention..

MADONNA: I hate that word, Ďre-inventioní, its so boring, Iím not re-inventing, Iím on a journey, Iím having an adventure as I go Iím changing. My work is always a reflection of wherever I am. And to say Iím re-inventing myself sounds so calculating and boring.

UP: Ok, tell me about the changes then. I mean are these pre-calculated changes?

M: Theyíre not calculated, no. I guess the thing is, is that most people will keep making the same record over, and over again, and they donít wanna take chances and come out with new and different sounds because people may not like it, they might not recognise it, whatever and, you know for the most part in popular culture its safer to do the same thing over and over again. Your not encouraged to change and grow and try out new things and experiment. Um its like---some weird concept people canít really grasp.

UP: Can I explore the changes that you make then?

M: Yeah, sure.

UP: Tell me about the changes that youíve made, for yourself personally that have influenced this album.

M: Well, um, allot has happened to me in the last couple of years, from the making of Evita, to having my daughter, to working on this record.. Iím personally going through allot of personal examination and Iím studying lots of different philosophies and I started practising yoga, and things like that. So, I mean, all these things have influenced me.

UP: I wanted to talk about your lyrics, and I was actually listening to your album before, and I had a look at the lyrics, there appears to be allot more depth, allot more happiness in your life right now do you attribute that to your spirituality?

M: I attribute it to, yeah to life to everything thatís happened to me in the last couple of years. Having a baby has had allot to do with it.

UP: Thereís an element of pain some of your lyrics as well, Iíve noticed...

M: (interrupts) What else is there?? (Both laugh) thereís always an element of pain in my lyrics...welcome to my world!

UP: Are you wearing your heart on your sleeve more than usual on this album?

M: No, I think Iíve done that lots in the past, maybe Iím just more in-touch with who I really am now. Versus who I thought I was. If you get my drift....

UP: Does the semi-new Madonna look back and say, ďOh my God I canít believe Iíve lived my life this wayĒ?

M: Yeah I do. But I donít do it with any kind of regret. Or bad feelings about myself. I just think, WOW! Iíve changed so much. I barley recognise that person.

UP: No regrets at all?

M: NO!

UP: Getting back to the album, we were talking about the Indian poem, the song that you did, Shanti/Ashtangi, is that Hindu--what?? What language is that?

M: Sundscript. Its a very old language, I think it came about in the 13th century, its one of the oldest languages in the world. I started hearing it all the time, because when I stared practising yoga, my yoga teacher, was teaching me sundscript prayers because it a yoga tradition to chant, and then I decided I wanted to know what I was saying, so she introduced me to a professor of sundscript, and I studied with him for a while. Some of the prayers that we say are really beautiful, so the one on my album is like a combination of prayers. When you say them, thereíre supposed to produce a feeling a bliss and happiness inside of you.

UP: So its like a Mantra?

M: Yeah.

UP: William Orbit--the producer, has got elements of trip-hop on your new album, do you have any influences or interests in that particular area?

M: Yeah, totally. Iím really influenced by the music coming out of England right now,

UP: People like Goldie, Tricky and Massive Attack?

M: Yes, all of the above.

UP: Did you listen to all of that music while you were making the album?

M: No, no. We didnít listen--when Iím making a record, I canít stand listening to music. Actually there was one record I listened to, no thatís a lie---thereís two records I listened to. I kept listening to Stereo MCís remix of a Tricky song, called She Makes Me Wanna Die. I had it in my car and I played it all day long.

UP: Do have any albums that you listen to when you need a good cry, close the doors, leave the phone of the hook, What do you sit-down to when you need those moments?

M: Umm, God, any number of things, I listen to allot of um, Portuguese music, Moroccan, Indian...Where do you live?

UP: Um, Australia.

M: Ok, they should have that there.

UP: Youíre getting into allot of world music...where did this start?

M: Iíve always been interested in it, but, Iíve never thought of incorporating it into my music. Causeí I listen to allot of Indian music, allot of Moroccan, Middle-Eastern music, ummm, I listen to allot of Spanish and Portuguese and Brazilian music, and I always have. But now Iíve really absorbed it.

UP: Ok, back to the music, its been a return to the dance club roots of Lucky Star the early days...

M: really?

UP: Thatís what the bio said so,

M: Those writers have to go! (Laughs)

UP: Is that a large market for you? The dance market?

M: Well, its where I started. Its definitely where my roots are and I love dance music. And the last record was the soundtrack to Evita and before that was a collection of ballads, and I felt like I really wanted to get back to the stuff I started doing in the first place.

UP: Whatís this about a Wes Craven movie called Fiddle Fest that you will to be doing?

M: Oh, yeah, thatís mine! I donít have to vie for that one! (laughs)

UP: No-oneís ass to kick for that?

M: No, no, no.

UP: Whenís that coming out?

M: It hasnít even been shot yet! Iíve just got to work that out in my very busy schedule. Causeí Iím doing a movie this Summer, then Iím gonna go on tour (Woo Hoo!!!!!!), and then Iím gonna make Chicago. So maybe after that.



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